Epigen™

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Re: Wysong Epigen Fish and Epigen Venison Now Available!

Either my math is wrong - or your math is wrong - 60% protein

and 60% meat total 120% - what gives??????

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Why are all of your Epigen ingredients not GMO free, instead of just some of the chicken? Seems like the product is ruined by the non-organic parts. For the cost, it seems like I should get all organic. After reading all of Dr. Wysong's stuff, I am so disappointed that your products are tainted like this.

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I am interested in your Epigen dog food, but I am a little worried about the krill oil and how much my dog

would be getting, because it does thin the blood. I would appreciate any info you could give me on this subject. Thank you

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Can you tell me how many servings, at ½ cup per day, are in the 8 lb Wysong Epigen bag?

And can you tell me, also, why there are fruits and vegetables in your cat foods, given cats are obligate carnivores and really shouldn't be eating any fruits or vegetables? I find it so difficult to find a dehydrated raw cat food without fruits and vegetables, which makes no sense, based on the research I've done.


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Thank you. My research has found that cats and dogs in the wild normally let the stomach contents of their prey spill before consuming the stomach lining, therefore they really don't eat fruits and veggies. And for cats especially, fruits and veggies are actually very hard on them since they weren't designed to eat them (much like I probably shouldn't adopt an all raw meat diet for myself...). So added plums and cranberries, etc., makes no sense to me. I can't figure out what the benefit of these ingredients may be.

On a different note, can you tell me how many servings are in an Archetype bag (I see only 7.5 oz bags on Wag.com and your site, though on Wag.com it states in the description that larger bags are available?). We have a kitten that will likely be a 10 lb cat soon, so at 1/3 cup per day, how many servings can I expect? And you may want to mention that offering this information on the packaging or online description would be helpful.

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I recently received an order of Wysong Epigen dog food. This food had been highly recommended to me by a fellow English Springer Spaniel Breeder in NY. I received the food the first week of July and started 3 of my 7 dogs on Epigen with a gradual introduction to the diet switch. One of these three dogs that was switched to this food whelped a new litter of puppies on July 5th. The food change for this bitch and two other bitches in my home initially went well with very little intestinal disturbance. After 7 - 10 days of the switch I began to notice red staining around the lips and muzzle of all three of the adult dogs that are eating this kibble. I also noted the mother dog having increasingly dark staining on her belly and the fur around her mammary glands. The puppies photographed became increasingly stained on their front (only) paws and around their muzzles as well, where they were in contact with their dam during nursing. When this was noticed I tried washing the affected areas (front paws, chins and muzzles) after at least one or more of their mealtimes each day without success at removal of the stain.

I have show dogs, in which I pride myself with having clean dogs without stains, having coats that are well maintained. After reaching out with my concerns to other fellow breeders and dog exhibitors on a social media site in regards to this new staining I was witnessing, it was suggested by many, as what I had felt, that the staining issue most likely had to be food related in this case of the only affected dogs being the ones currently ingesting this food. The other dogs in my home have maintained their clean white facial/muzzle fur as did these dogs before they started starting on this diet.

I am very dissatisfied with the developed staining on only the dogs (and the puppies of the one dog) that were switched to this food. I have discontinued using Epigen and would like to return the food as it clearly is not a food that my dogs can do well on. Since stopping the food, I have changed them to another high quality diet. In the last few days I am already seeing changes that the staining is slowly fading from all the affected dogs and puppies.

Please let me know what your thoughts are on how to proceed with this situation. Obviously I will not use this food again and would like to return it. I spoke to Customer Service and they had mentioned that I would need to pay for the return shipping on the unused product (I still have two full cases and one single bag ) of this food in order to be reimbursed for the unused cases only. I was also told I had to pay for the shipping before a refund could be made of only the unopened cases of food. I bought your product in good faith and therefore I do not feel that would be appropriate when your product did not provide the results I was hoping for. Please advise me on how you would like to rectify this situation and provide a mutually acceptable resolution. I look forward to receiving your positive response and thank you for your attention on this matter.

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I would like to know the maximum crude fat in Epigen (chicken).

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Can you tell me what the carb content is in the Epigen foods? Is it possible that you might ever include organ meat in the venison variety. Can you tell me if the 60% protein is meat protein alone or it includes the potato protein and any other plant proteins in the formula? Thanks.


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Thank you for your response but if there are carbs from the meat and organ glycogen and the plant fibers could you please tell me what percent of the product those carbs make up? Thank you so much


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Thank you for the information. I do have a couple more questions. I understand that you are saying that percentages are estimates but you do estimate on some nutrients like protein and fat. Is there a difference in quantifying carbohyrates and estimating protein and fat? Also I am interested in the Au Jus food but see that it has no nutrients added. If one adds the supplement that you have for sale that can be used with the Au Jus will it now be balanced? Thank you.


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I am not sure what you mean. Is it different to determine the protein than to determine the carbs?

Another question. How are you defining starch? I don't understand how the food could have carbs but be starch free. I thought carbs and starch were the same thing.

Thanks.

These questions relate to the Epigen.

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Either my math is wrong - or your math is wrong - 60% protein

and 60% meat total 120% - what gives??????

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#1. you claim to have NO starch but then in your ingredients it says you have proteins from potatoes!? HUH?!

#2. you provide no evidence of starches being more harmful than grains. No references, only fluff about your superior product. NEITHER grains or starches are suitable for dogs in my personal opinion, but there is undeniable and substantial evidence suggesting the health problems grains (and more specifically gluten) cause in humans. Using nothing more than logic, you can assume animals are the same (evolving over millions of years and softens only being around for about 150years).

To my point, back your claims with evidence and don't mislead the public as if grains are NOT a problem. Taking the next step and removing starch as well is fantastic! But you did not remove the grains and your claims with this dogfood will sadly never come to fruition as long as the gluten is present.


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I appreciate your reply, and I agree that complex carbohydrates (starches) are problematic...but so are grains. In my personal opinion however, if you subtract a protein from a starch/grain source, you are not bypassing the problem. It will still be problematic. So the question begs, "which is worse? Starch or grains?". Because you have to almost have a trace of one or the other to even MAKE dry dogfood. And personally, I'll take grain free with sweet potatoes every time.

It's not your product that I have an issue with (other than the wheat extract). It's the Sloan/saying "grains aren't the problem, starch is". That is a fallacy. Both are problematic and it is grains (more specifically gluten) that is the premiere catalyst for cancer, auto immune disease, and obesity.

Also, gluten is a protein found in wheat (is that what your extracting in the ingredients?).

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten


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I appreciate your reply, and I agree that complex carbohydrates (starches) are problematic...but so are grains. In my personal opinion however, if you subtract a protein from a starch/grain source, you are not bypassing the problem.

It will still be problematic.


So the question begs, "which is worse? Starch or grains?". Because you have to almost have a trace of one or the other to even MAKE dry dog food.



And personally, I'll take grain free with sweet potatoes every time.


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I hope you are not offended or overwhelmed by my emails, because I thank you whole heartedly for engaging in this conversation. I am always willing to challenge my own beliefs and knowledge, and further understanding/knowledge is well worth the time spent in my humble opinion. So thank you!

We've gotten spread out on a few topics, so Ill try to consolidate a few points:

- I agree that starches are also a problem. I just believe it is unwise to 'cast' grains as not a problem in advertising (but I understand the business side of trying to set yourself apart). Regardless of the classification (how much of a grain is a starch), grains are problematic and not intended for consumption...EVER, not just if you have allergies (again, my humble opinion).


So we agree in principle that both of these are problematic, but I disagree with dismissing grains in the advertising. It comes off as you dont feel grains are a problem at all (which from our conversation I know isnt the case). To promote grains as THE ONLY problem IS disingenuous...and so is ONLY promoting starch.

- Everyone/thing is allergic to Gluten (again in my opinion).


Toxicity levels are of course a factor (I will concede that). One person/dog/animal will react more/less severely to exposure than another, but at the base of the problem, gluten from grains contributes to leaky gut at some point...period. Regardless of whether someone/thing is more sensitive to it or not. Leaky gut over time leads to malnutrition, inflammation, auto immune diseases (such as diabetes, skin irritations, thyroid problems, MS, etc), and cancer. ANYTHING that causes irritation within the gut will eventually leads to such problems. Starches and Grains specifically accelerate this process do to their HIGH glycemic load.

Controlling Insulin sensitivity and general inflammation are key (just a statement of general health, Im sure you can agree as well). But there are exceptions to the "starch" rule in my opinion. Roots and tubers (sweet potatoes, yucca root for example) are simple starches and CAN be easily digested by humans that do not already show signs of auto Immune disease.

Not sure about dogs to be honest, but I would assume since we are both omnivores (because we are, dogs eat fruits, grasses, etc., albeit they would ONLY eat meat if given the choice, they are also evolutionary scavengers and will adapt to food that is available), we would follow a similar (not exact) path to health. I AM only assuming sweat potatoes are healthy for dogs based on this fact. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

- Proteins extracted from grains and starches still makes no sense to me (maybe I have to read up on this more). The protein in grains (gluten) is the whole problem in the first place (again, regardless of how you cut it up as a grain/starch). Just extracting a component from a problematic food does not dismiss that the possibility remains for it to cause irritation/inflammation. For example, extracting whey protein from milk for post workout protein shakes does not mean you do not see similar inflammatory response and insulin release from ingesting the shake as you would regular milk (because you do). If the lactose is not present, those who are sensitive to lactose CAN drink it, but it still doesnt make it compatible to our natural diet or "healthy".

- I am not educated AT ALL in how dogfood is made, so I will concede your point. All I know is it is NOT a natural food source, but because of its convenience it has become the STAPLE. And I for one am very excited for this grain free/starch free movement with dogfood. 30 years of experience is great! Personally I have two dogs that I have feed grain free dogfood (taste of the wild) to for the last year, and their skin irritations, excessive shedding, smell, dirty ears, tartar, and gas HAVE ALL disappeared (except for the gas sometimes, haha). One of my dogs nails were also very brittle and easily splintered. They are now strong and healthy. This is the only experience I can pull from and my constant search for knowledge and something possibly even better for my pups is what led me to you. So again, thank you for the conversation!

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We were looking at the protein and fat content. Why is it that the new Epigen 90 still only has 60 protein the same as the Epigen. Since you are using more meat wouldn't the protein and fat content be more. If not what is really the difference between the both. We were thinking that the 90 would have alot more protein in it. Do you know what the carbohydrate content is.

The other question we feed our dogs raw but have tried the Epigen and they seem alittle gassy. Is there anything we can add or do to prevent this.

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Dear Sir or Madam,

I am interested in Wysong Epigen because I have a cat who is borderline diabetic. I was surprised that despite the claims at the site that the food is appropriate for this purpose, I could not find a statistic indicating the percentage of carbohydrate content as a proportion of calories. My vet has recommended that I should keep this below 7%. I am also concerned that the phrase "starch free" is followed by the trademark symbol, which suggests that it may have a meaning other than its ordinary language meaning.

Please send me information about the carbohydrate content, and explain the precise meaning of this trademarked phrase. Thank you.

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I'm having trouble understanding the following ingredients as non-starch and natural to a carnivores diet:

Pea Protein, Potato Protein, Apple, Beet Pulp, Plums, Blueberries, Tomato, Oregano Extract, Sage Extract, Rosemary Extract.

Then, can you clarify whether the following are derived from the fish meal and chicken fat?

Probiotic Microorganisms (Bacillus subtilis, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus plantarum, Lactococcus lactis, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus lactis), Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement.

It appears obvious that all of the above followed by the word "supplement" are not derived from the meat products.

You should be able to tell I take the diet of my cats very seriously. I'm completely satisfied with Life's Abundance, but if there is a superior diet available, I certainly want to consider it.

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I have now fully transferred my 2 standard poodles onto epigen 90. Question:

they are consuming lots more water than ever before. Any connection?

They were on Evo.

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Are these starch-free proteins isolate proteins or condensed proteins in the Epigen formulas?

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I have been giving my ferret both the wet food and the dry Ferret Epigen 90. My ferret has been having problem with extremely high blood sugar since hse started eating the Epigen 90. I talked to a technical person many months ago who informed me that the Ferret Epigen 90 is made with an ingredient that could raise blood sugar levels. He said that a sugar like base is used to help form and keep the kibble together. I am just writing again to find out if this is possibly. Is there ANYTHING in the ingredients in Epigen 90 that could possibly cause elevate the blood sugar levels in a ferret. Your prompt response is greatly appreciated, as my ferret is in the Veterinarian hospital and I need to get info to give the veterinarian ASAP.

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